Seminar: The Way of the Logos

Aphrodisias, the Temple of Aphrodite, shot in 2004. Photo credit - Dguendel
Aphrodisias, the Temple of Aphrodite, shot in 2004. Photo credit – Dguendel

The Noetic Society Presents:

The Way of the Logos

A Seminar conducted by Pierre Grimes, Ph.D.

October 17 & 18, 2015

The twin ideas of the Self and the Soul are the essential ideas for both understanding Platonic metaphysics as well as for gaining an insight into the nature of the Self. While this idea of the Self has been for the most part ignored in the Platonic tradition, we will explore its implications, uniqueness, and its relation to the Soul.

Once this level of thought of Platonic metaphysics becomes clear, it will become a bridge to understanding the personal dimension of Platonic thought, and in so doing the metaphysics will lose its apparent ambiguity and perplexity.

To secure this lofty goal we will also explore the positive and negative hypotheses of Plato’s Parmenides analogically.

We will view them as the personification of a truth seeker experiencing each of the hypotheses from the dismal ninth to that which is beyond all predicates, the first hypothesis.

The path we will outline is a map for philosophical seekers to chart the spiritual and philosophical journey of the destiny of Man.  It will reveal the way of participating in a truly meaningful world for those who seek to use the mind to know the mind.

We offer a new and bold step into the necessity of Platonic thought for understanding the intelligibility of the nature of the divine, the cosmos, and Man.

Participants will be given a copy of a recent dialogue by Pierre Grimes, which outlines much of

what we will be discussing. The conclusion of the dialogue reads:

Jeff came in and said, “What would follow, Susan, if this idea of the Self cannot be securely found in the text? I mean, what would follow if a very strict Ancient Greek scholar were to determine the idea of the Self, as you have defined it, is simply wrong and that it cannot be supported by a critical reading of the Parmenides nor can it be found in Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides?”

I said, “Then the philosophers at the Academy at Taxila have found a gap in the Platonic tradition and have shown the necessity for adding and clarifying this most noble idea, the Self, to that tradition. We could also add that they integrated it into the idea of the Soul, and that means, does it not, that a new kind of Platonism has been brought forward.”

Note on the Opening Time: Saturday breakfast is at 8:00 and the workshop begins at 9. The full schedule will be posted then.

Workshop Location: Visions & Dreams 2482 Newport Frontage Rd. #1, Costa Mesa, CA.

Meditation: David Coe has offered his house for meditation before the workshop begins on Saturday and Sunday. Any time, but especially 6:00 to 7:30 before the Workshop Saturday. Open sitting, no bells, come when you please.

Cost: $150. Fees may be paid at any NS meeting. To be considered for a scholarship, apply to Pierre Grimes directly.

Registration: – To reserve a place please email Julia Hoigaard, Noetic Society Treasurer –


For additional details or questions, please contact Nancy Grimes

Reflections on Dream-Midwifery in Terms of Diotima’s Speech in Plato’s Symposium (Part 3 of 3)

By Nobuya Teraoka

The role of Love as the middle term between the mortal and the divine is an interesting contrast to the midwife’s role between the dreamer and the Dream Master. If the midwife is like Love, then she somehow “elucidates and communicates… from humans their requests and sacrifices to the gods, and from the gods their commands and compensation for sacrifices to humans.”

A dreamer, of course, may make a personal request to the Dream Master, but the midwife communicates the dreamer’s requests and sacrifices to the gods through the very act of dream exploration.

I have experienced dream explorations with Pierre in which I am blocked from exploring a particularly significant point, but during the following night I receive a new dream that, after exploration with Pierre, elucidates the very problem which had blocked me. Thus, since the Dream Master is aware of our midwifery progress, being blocked during a dream exploration often functions as a request to the Dream Master for another dream.

Furthermore, since the midwife assists the dreamer to put words on the false belief that blocks her seeing, the dream exploration functions as a kind of sacrifice, a giving up of some of the beliefs that make the dreamer loyal to a centrally significant and destructive false belief about the nature of Reality, which Pierre calls the pathologos.

In compensation for such sacrifice, the Dream Master sends more dreams. But the dreamer has no direct control over the kind of dream she will receive. Though the dreamer may think there are several issues in her life that could benefit from the Dream Master’s attention, the dreams function as commands, forcefully turning the dreamer’s soul toward an examination of what the Dream Master deems worthy to see.

To force a dream to fit the dreamer’s desires and fears is to miss excellence in midwifery and become what is abhorred by every true philosopher, an interpreter. Yet a midwife’s function is, for souls, more helpful than that of Love’s. For without the midwife, she who yearns for the Beautiful and the Good could not rise beyond her pathologos.

The contrast may become clearer through the myth of Love’s birth: Poverty, who is excluded from the gods’ celebration of the birth of Aphrodite, or Beauty itself, approaches and begs at the doors of the divine feast. There is no indication that she shares in the feast. When Poverty spies Plenty drunk on divine drink entering Zeus’ garden and falling deeply asleep, she, in her poverty, plans to have a child from Plenty. Laying down by his side, she conceives Love immediately without any doings of Plenty. But Poverty’s plan does not benefit herself, for Love becomes the follower and servant of Aphrodite and does not relate to Poverty.

Love shares his mother’s nature, being always poor, and is neither tender nor beautiful. But he also shares in his father’s nature, always weaving devices and being a philosopher all his days, seeking the good and beautiful. Love therefore gets new life from Plenty, but he always loses whatever he has due to Poverty.

Suppose that I am like Poverty and the Dream Master is like Plenty. I live my days always of poor understanding and am neither beautiful nor able to enter into and celebrate the vision of divine beauty. I approach the threshold of Mind. The Dream Master, full of the celebration of the birth of Beauty, enters into the garden of Mind, and I, traveling through Mind’s realm, approach the Dream Master. Without effort and as if by myself, I conceive a dream, whose double nature is like Love’s.

For the dream is both incomprehensible and unhelpful to me who am blocked from understanding, yet is full of a certain charm and attraction which persists in my memory for a long time and draws me to want to understand it. The dream is specifically appropriate to my state of ignorance, yet is an anagogic doorway to wisdom.

Yet while the dream, with the help of the midwife, becomes a way to greater self-understanding for the dreamer, in the myth Love provides nothing beneficial to Poverty. The myth lacks an element that functions like a midwife to Poverty, bringing her the understanding to escape ignorance and share in the divine feast. But this is because the function of the myth in the dialogue is to help the reader understand Socrates’ particular path from ignorance to wisdom, which needed no midwifery because he had no blocks. Love shows the way and Socrates follows, straight out of ignorance to wisdom. In contrast, Agathon begins from a similar state of ignorance, but he cannot follow Love like Socrates. He is more like one of us, blocked from pursuing the love of Beauty, because of a pathologos. Therefore, it is not in the scope of the myth nor the dialogue to deal with the dialectic of midwifery.

Thus, for the pathologos-ridden, the midwife is more beneficial than Love. The midwife functions as a middle term between the dreamer and the Dream Master, but unlike Love, when the dreamer is stuck, the midwife can draw the dreamer’s attention to the difference between the dream text and her interpretation that blocks her from going farther in philosophy. Clearly, the dream is a priceless gift. The dream is not by you, but it tells you about you better than you. You may hide your beauty, but it will reflect it back like a flawless mirror. You may deny it, but the midwife will point to it in the dream text.

Is the dream-midwife a midwife? If so, who is pregnant and with what is she pregnant? Diotima discusses a range of pregnancies in her speech. Among them is the individual who is pregnant from youth and seeks in his adulthood to beget and procreate in someone whose soul and body is beautiful. With such a person he “has plenty of talks about excellence and what the good person ought to be and to practice and he tries to educate him. For by attaching himself to a person of beauty […] and keeping company with him he begets and procreates what he has long been pregnant with; present and absent he remembers him, and with him fosters what is begotten, so that as a result these people retain a much closer communion together and a firmer friendship than parents of children, because they have shared between them children more beautiful and more immortal” (trans. Rouse).

What immortal children does the individual, the philosopher, who is pregnant from youth and begets and procreates in a beautiful soul beget? What children could rival the works of Homer and the laws of Lycurgos and Solon? It is in respect to this question that the remainder of Diotima’s speech is directed. For in describing the higher revelations for the initiate who enters the mysteries of Love, which culminates in seeing Beauty itself with Mind itself, giving birth to true excellence, nurturing and bringing such  excellence up, and finally becoming a friend to god and as immortal as may be granted to any person, she describes the children of such a relationship.

With some alteration the passage about the philosophical lover can be adapted to the midwife: “with a dreamer like that, the midwife has plenty of talks about the excellence and good that the

Dream Master wove into her dream and about how it functions in the dream and she tries to educate the dreamer by reflecting on and appreciating the meaning of the dream in itself and in terms of her waking world.” The midwife, like the lover, is pregnant through the love of wisdom and seeks explorations with dreamers who desire to understand their dreams. Through that dialogue the midwife communes with the Mind of the Dream Master. She must not add anything mortal nor foreign to the dream text, nor fail to appreciate its richness. The dreamer, on her part, drops her interpretation and returns to a purer experience of the dream. Their pure state of openness as they receive the divine communication of the Dream Master is the child of their dialogue. Excellence in understanding and reflection through analogy is nurtured into maturity.

In turn, they become friends of the Dream Master’s Mind and in that friendship taste of the immortality of the gods.

Post-Script: This study calls for a subsequent study regarding Pierre’s dream explorations of higher level dreams: it is important to share dreams that are purely positive, which take the dreamer into states of mind that are astonishingly simple, blissful, and one. Or dreams that function as an anagogic allegory. Or dreams about Providence. There are also those dreams that are full of humor, that playfully play on language, on ideas from Hellenic thought, or Zen koans, or the mystical experiences of Muktananda. Finally, this study needs a comparison of dream-midwifery to Parmenides’ midwifery of Socrates through the Forms, as discussed in Proclus’ Commentary on the Parmenides of Plato.

Note: For a copy of the complete transcriptions of each dream, or the complete PDF of this paper, please email: donations(at)

Anatomy of Dreams – Pierre Grimes


Pierre Grimes demonstrates dreams, dreaming and the structure of dreams explored in philosophical midwifery (philosophical counseling).

These talks were recorded at the Philosophical Research Society where Pierre Grimes gave talks from 1995-1998.

These videos deal with dreams, fantasies and random thoughts as a doorway to understanding the intelligent, caring nature of the mind.

Retreat: Knowing The Self Through Understanding The Mind


Week of November 24-29, 2013. Esalen. Big Sur, CA.

Communications from the mind are as profound as they are utterly appropriate to our circumstances, for while the scope of the mind is pervasive, its precision is always directed to what is personally and spiritually significant.

The self is always seeking completion; hence, our choice of goals, the problems we face, the daydreams and fantasies we have, the seemingly random thoughts that occur during our meditations, and the dreams that visit us in our sleep – each is a doorway into the richest source of insights into our lives.

During this workshop we will explore a new paradigm that offers a profound understanding of the way the mind functions and communicates with us for our benefit. As we focus on our dreams and daydreams with the simple rules of this new paradigm, we are brought to an awareness that our everyday existence can be the doorway to the profound and that what is often ignored can be the key to our inner development.

Pierre Grimes has developed this new paradigm as a path of self-discovery over many years. It has its roots in the Homeric/Socratic tradition. Please bring writing materials and a small tape recorder for recording your dreams.

Please note: There will be a celebratory Thanksgiving dinner in the Esalen Lodge.

For more info, or to enroll, click here.

A Classic Recording: The Sacred Myths of Plato–Plato’s Republic

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A great lecture from Pierre Grimes…

Upcoming Seminar/Workshop: The Practice of the Dialectic.

Friday, April 26, 2013 through Sunday evening April 28, 2013. For details, click here.

50 Questions for Mastering the Art of Philosophical Midwifery:

By Pierre Grimes, Ph. D.

The following questions are challenges to both the philosophical community and the wider intellectual community and can be considered as central to a mode of philosophical counseling called philosophical midwifery.

Continue reading 50 Questions for Mastering the Art of Philosophical Midwifery: